I have seen soo many individauls in sajha, floating around saying, Nepal isnt yet ready for democracy, Nepa has seen misry in Democracy, etc etc..

I am a not a political man, but i would like you all, who have given your opinions on various threads, answer this question, IF NOT TODAY, WHEN IS NEPAL READY FOR DEMOCRACY ?

and when answring this qustion, i would like you to give me a realistic view not an imaginary. Please do not say, King will give us democracy, that is a insane thought. Would you give your brand new car away just because some begger begged for it? No, ofcourse NO!! Same is the situation, dont expect democracy can be snacted from the King that easily.

Sooo..When do you all think of becoming democratice nation? if you dont consider democracy being one of the greatest political system, please say so and do expalin.

Confused:

I will tell you when we will be ready for democracy.

We will be ready for democracy when we have a right leader. Right leader means someone who can put others first instead of personal gain. Someone who can put nation first and unite majority people. Right leader is someone who can change according to the time. One who can communicate and share the vision to common Nepali that there is better future. Leaders gotta be someone who can walk the walk and talk the talk.

Now let me tell you what is better future. Better future means good job, peace and security and above all respect. Do we have any??? None. Nada. Nahi. Maru. Nicht...

Stupid Chor gunda netas can explain benefit of democracy in 20 different ways just like you can prepare financial report in more than 20 different ways. At the end of the day or end of the line, I want to see the net margin. If I see Red ( Losses), then I dont give a fock. I need a leader who can make an improvement in our life or a business leader who can show me a net profit.

So you tell me are you ready? Are we ready for democracy?

Well, the most disgusting thing I read over here is that fact no body blames janatas as one of the greatest contributors to bring the current situation.

Why blame netaas all the time ?

salambambi ji, how can u expect for g ood leader when tere is no chance to emerge.......always good leader will be king as long as news will be casted in NTV, RAdio Nepal and Gorkhapatra

only in democract there is equal oppertnity for everybody....sometime corruptors prevail and sometime good leaderes........

girija kina chor bhayo...kinaki tesle ujyalo ma choryo ra sabaile dekhe...gyandra chor huinna \kaile pani kinaki gyandra chor hunna kaile pani kinaki gyandra le jati chorcha adhyaro ma chorcha...media censorship is adhyaro...tha cha adhyaro ma chrnele dherai chorcha jaile pani .....

democracu ko mahima yei ho....
if u think u are good enough to rule the country and right leader to lead the nation.... can;t get chne now...but it;s possible in democracy dude....now if u want to be Pm or wahever u have to go to palace and get the vote of confidence of king.....by bowing ur head infront of him....but in democracu u don't need to do allthose.....u have so many choices to reach to that post in democracyy....that's how good leaders are produced in democracy......

Good leaders as well as bad leaders are always plentiful in democracy, however it is always the responsibility of electrotate(voters or Janatas) to maintain the check on rotten ones and dump them into the garbage. If voters (janatas) cant do that job ... go through the pain of current situation.

ghar jawai, i share your view. This is absulutly ridiculous when ppl start blamming on netas for everything, when the fact is, jantas are the one who enjoyed free bhoj and Masu Bhat provided by netas to earn them votes. I think i can conclude reading thru all the posts that, Nepali People Do Need a Leader, not because netas are corrupted, because Nepali Janta themselves are incapable of democracy. They are lost minds, who cannot decide anything by themselves. ......is it not true??

Nepali People Do Need a Leader = do need a leader like Gyanandra*

Confused,

If my memory does not fail me, someone, and quite aptly so, in one of the posts recently, called you 'one-dimentional' - yes, you really are. You are stubborn as a mule. You never give in to reasons. You are all over the place yet you don't make an iota of sense half the time. So, normally, I don't even bother replying to your posts - not that it would matter to you, I hasten to add - but, you come across a bit mellowed on this one, so I thought I would put my views this one time.

You keep harping on the need for democracy in Nepal despite it being as clear as day that the system has failed us spectacularly over the last fourteen years. You need to be here in Nepal to know what I am talking about. The country, well, to put it mildly, is in tatters. Yes, I did, like many others, have very high hopes when democracy was instituted in 1990, but contrary to our expectations, things got from bad to worse. The situation now is so bad, it's beyond words. Come to think of it - it has been a case of jumping from the pan right into the fire.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand:

I think for a democracy to function smoothly, certain prerequisites have to be met. Two pre-conditions that immediately spring to my mind now are:

1. The majority of the population has to be educated.
2. There has to be a large middle class

Educated people are generally well informed; know what is right and what is wrong; can't be easily deceived, know what thier rights are, make better decisions etc. So, the poliliticians have to be on their toes all the time.
In sharp contrast, uneducated people are gullible, ignorant, easily deceived, easily manipulated, can't make sound judgements, they don't have a clue what thier rights and responsibilities are..yada yada yada.... All you have to say is jump and they go 'how high?' In a society like this might is right, politicians with criminal backgrounds will continue to be elected, votes can be bought and sold, people in power can get away with murder/violation of law etc etc.

Another important prerequisite for a democracy is: the society has to be relatively well off. People must have jobs; they must have a decent income to live a fairly comfortable life. They have to be able to support thier families; educate thier children; be financialy secure; not worry about where thier next meal is going to come from etc. Democracy in a society like this can thrive.
In a society where the vast majority of the people are poor; do not have food to eat, place to live, unable to educate thier children, unable to find employment, it will give rise to lawlessness. Moral/social/family values will erode; social cohesion will fall apart. People may take up arms, revolt againt a section of the society.

Nepal is deficient in both the qualities, no wonder, democracy has been a monumental failure in Nepal. The last fourteen years have been the most painful period the country and its people have ever experienced in the history of modern Nepal. The country, mired in a bloody civil war, is teetering on the brink of collapse, and our very own sovereingty is at stake.

To put this whole argument into perspective, lets look at the experiences of some of the countries that have been a truly phenomenal success stories.

Singapore, which, some contend is still undemocratic, under Lee Kwan Yew's autocratic rule made an unprecedented leap forward; transforming itself into a leading finacial and commercial centre with one of the highest per capita incomes in the world. Singapore still continues to be a highly regulated society where political dissent is systematically supressed.

*I'm in a rush so I will be very brief*

The countries that have prospered exponentially in the last 25/30 years, namely; Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, Malaysia, China all have one thing in common, and that is: the lack of democracy. People in these countries have a high degree of personal and economic freedom but very limited political freedom, if at all.
Taiwan and South Korea, however, have full democracy now.

So in answer to your question:
Nepal will be ready for democracy when we have attained the aforementioned goals.

So people who can't read and write should not have an opinion. They should be spoon-fed by Gyanendra.

They don't have a choice to shout when the King Gyanendra led Army rapes their daughters. When King Gyanendra led Army loots their crop, when a Samanti like people here kick them out of the village, they should just keep quiet and wait for King Gyanendra to come an rescue them.

Uneducated people should just keep quiet and not voice their opinion, because their Lord Gyanendra will look after them by buying himself Bentey's and hoarding 67 crores every year. Yes I get your point. I totally agree, democracy is mean to undeducated "pakhe" people for "america educated" democracy loving people.

In short i will say..


Democracy will be ready
Only if.. Politicians are Well Educated and People are aware.

....and the problem with the Royal takeover is:

Dictatorships neither can, nor do they wish to, educate and make people aware!

Poonte Bro

I know you are not in favor of KING G's takeover where as i would give him a chance and you shouldnot be jumping into conclusion so fast (just my perception) its just been a week, We will have to wait and see, whether/if King G and his regime will educate or make people aware or not.

Cheers.

Lokman, no you havnet been reading enough of my posts, and that is why you call me 1D but tell you, i am a 3D person.

ON Feb 1st, when gyane had his move, i also felt secure for some time. INfact, it took me several days to click on that poll and say I OPPOSE IT!! I did think, and even in sajha, i had argued with poonte, when he with his wise thought, posted in favor of democracy. I am not a stubborn person, i am just smarter person who has ability to think more than you. So yes, dont you even argue with me, i am hot flame for you that can burn you down to ashes.

OF course Education is needed, but education is not required to vote for a right cause. ONe does not need to be educated, to know not to rob or murder ppl. Politics can me matched with Culture, not education. Cultural and Social influence has to be positive, for a country to be a true democratic, not necessraliy EDUCATION..

As you showed me only few countries, i will show you some more Iran, Iraq, Afganistan(with taliban), and countless others, where there was voilation of human rights, citizen oppressed and country battling their economy. And all was coz of a Dictator rule, where one bad man, spoiled the whole country. But i will give you the most powerful nations, and well off nations, that is democratic, France, Britain, Usa, and countless European nations.

Democracy is not gamble like dictatorship, it has equality of both bad and good, so if you expect good ppl in democray do expecct bad ppl, but it is the right of a Janta to be wise and careful while choosing the right person. Can we not take that much of responsibility?

and for now, well educated ppl like you who claim, we need a Autocratic rule, then i do really feel sorry for nepal, we have just been too insecure, and too hopeless. If this is the situation Nepal will never develop, not even in 1000 yrs. , WE HAVE TO LEARN TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. Let someone rule like that, nothing will prosper. Hell! why do i even need to give you a speech, just watch for another few yrs...and ooh yah, what has prospered in Pakistan after Musharaf took control?? can you name them?? Have they achieved enough peace? Is corruption down??

dammn, why cant you all THINKKK!

On the question posed by the thread:

The concept of "being ready for democracy" is a farce. Democracy is NOT a package that can be delivered once the supposedly "janne-sunne" dictator decides that "his" people are ready for it. Democracy is a PROCESS, a continuing process, that corrects itself as people experience it more. The moment one seizes the process from the people, then the people would be deprived of experiencing it, therefore they would be deprived of the opportunity to refine it. It can never be perfect, but without the opportunity to live in it, democracy would never become better, stronger and much closer to being perfect than before.

On giving the King a chance:

Respect and support, for me, are GAINED, and cannot be DEMANDED. And no one can ever convince me to lend my respect and support to dictators, for I have seen examples aplenty of such regimes utterly failing to address the REAL needs of the people. We don't even need to look far to see such an example: Panchayat in our own country was an abject failure in terms of fulfilling even the basic needs of the people, hence the problems we saw -- the weakness that we witnessed in the so-called democracy -- in the 1990s.

By taking two major steps that contribute even further to my belief of not trusting dictatorships (the banning of the press, and the formation of a Panchayat-kaal kai loyal but hopelessly vision-deprived mantri mandal, KingG has failed once again to convince his skeptics that he has a genuine desire to do good for Nepal.

You ask me to still give him a chance? Sorry, but NO! I cannot, and I will not, in my good conscience, lend even a BIT of suport to something that I know is headed for a doom.

You tell me wait and see? Hell NO! We cannot afford to wait even a bit to see if we are being led into disaster. If we wait, it may be too late when we see that it was a mistake.

I have been leveled "unpatriotic" for clinging to pessimism about the King. I say, NO ONE has any right to question my, or any other Nepalis' patriotism. I am sure we all love our country equally, and we all wish better future for her. Our differences in HOW to achieve our common patriotic goals is not a measure by which either of us can, and should, judge the other's patriotism.

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Those who ask when Nepal is ready for muli-party democracy:

World history has shown that democracy can thrive only when the country has enough socio-political and economic infrastructure to sustain it...In my posting ( look at my Comment on : If I were KING....), I compared democracy with HDTV or plasma TV..How do u operate such hi-tech stuff without proper power (electricity)??? what's the use of such HDTV in remote village that don't have access to electricity??? when we have electricity in all of our village, then only we will be ready for multi-party democracy!!!

Give power to the Army, they are the most Bhrastta of them all.

Don't you see how many "kamaiya" jawans the high ranking officials of Nepal have to wipe their shoes, clean their wife's underwear.

Don't know know how Army leaders use our tax Money for Private Parties-- Sister's bihe, choriko bihe, chorake bratabancha etc. etc.

Don't know how the army charges illegal commission to banks for transfering their money to their account.

Don't you how the army charges "lower level" jawans who are in peace keeping force world wide when they come back with their earnings.

Don't know how the Army and the Chinese byapari fight for commission on goods and ration for the Army.

Don't you know how the Army has killed and raped innocent people, abusing their power, and still get away with it.

Don't know you know the Army charges businessmen money for their security.

Lets just hope King G and the army are both put back in the barrack before we get frustrated with them as well.

Lokman,

You burped enough swagger and came empty on content. What are the sublime conditions for democracy to prosper is purely an academic exercise. There is no hard fast rules inscribed in stones so you could prescribe here - Hold your horses, Hide your saddles, Nepalese it is not time yet!

About your pre-conditions, if you scamper through Democracy 101, you will find few more preconditions and exceptions such as why India meets no preconditions and still there is a thieving democracy. Again, it is purely an academic exercise.

About Asian Tigers, there are varying thoughts. So do not be concluding so fast. I happen to read a report on somewhere, do not recall properly. It said - It is the population control that brought about the economic success in East Asian that you see today. Provided more resources to lesser number of people, you can repeat the same in any given country.

Asistant Jersap,

Stupefying me again? History has not shown anything, you have seen what you want to see. Bole To ? Kunda Kunda Jal, Munda Munda Buddhi.

Are you ever going to come out of your cocoon of Plasma TV? Things are not as plain and simple s you are trying to potray.

Ye tumhari bas ki baat nahi hai, Bola na!!

Aba hajur ko tyahi Gadha Houston ta holani jabaf ma hoina ?????

What up Houston!!! Somebody close to u got busted corruption charges

HighFly,

I would talk to you only in one precondition, if you are stunningly beautiful chicks. Given the Royal Decree - only entertainments allowed. I have decided to concur with the king for now. :)