He is a hanuman and Indian agent and he want to see turn Nepal to another Skim. He is colaborating with Maoists and he want to eat food from childern and eat it.
Hey? Indian agent will you go to Nepal and work for the people or only barking from US?

Hahahahha, Nepe, dammn, did not know you were also a HERO, becoz i have always seen you as a DAKU here in sajha, jiskeko..:)


nepe, je bhai ni, i did like your stlye of defending urself.. good going. ..so do we get to see more pics? was any of your movies ever realsed? questions are haunting me...

This is the height of insanity from Nita assaulting Nepe personally.
I do hate Nepe's baseless ideology on anarchism but I don't hesitate to appreciate his good writing skills.
At last, personal attacks on public forum is always condemned.

Chip_of_the_OldBlock

>This can be seen in your vicious attacks on Ms. Sarup and Dipta in the email you circulated amongst the "advisors" of Peace Media. Is that not so?

This can not be taken as the reasons to prove that NEPE is an Indian Agent and is going to make Nepal another Sikkim.
If you agree with Nitu's blame to NEPE and advocate supporting her ideas, why you can not mention the reasons why and how NEPE is an Indian Agent?

Nepe: Ashok Sharma, the actor/director?? Well well...small world. When he was going to college in Darjeeling, I remember he always wore a hooded jacked with "WINGS" written on it. That time he was thin and tall, not at all the same person I met some years ago in VA.

DG,

The only statement I was making was that if one doesn't like being personally attacked with truth, lies, innuendoes and what not, one should be doing just that to others.

I didn't say that I condoned Nitu's allegations against Nepe. I don't believe Nepe is an Indian agent. As a matter of fact, I believe he's a die-hard patriot. But, he needs to learn to agree to disagree. This means respecting others beliefs while not forsaking one's own.

Nepe and Indian Agent... hahahah... what a fun?

after Feb 1, 2005: Sajha.com is mushroomed by Mandales.

Sharad Chandra Shah went to India as Royal Nepal Messenger.
What a SHAMEful thing that we have to hear? Today's great
model Nepali are peoples like Sharad Chandra Shah, Tulsi Giri .....
Sharad Chandra Shah is working to rescue Nepal from current
mess.....

GP

typo:

should=shouldn't .............one should be doing just that to others.

Chip of the Old Block wrote:

"But he needs to learn to agree to disagree. This means respecting others beliefs while not forsaking one's own."

My sentiments, pretty much.

That said, despite my various jhagada with Nepe on various topics, (we seem to agree totally only on arts-related topics), I don't think Nepe deserves the abuse that's been hurled at him by some of the posters above.

****

But then, on a lighter note, in what must be a variation of some sort of cyber- 'Stockholm Syndrome', I have actually come to enjoy ((on some dull days) ticking off Nepe with a few choice words and phrases on Sajha . . . only to be rewarded with colorful, entertaining and firecracker-esque unleashing of verbal tsunamis.

Nepe, let's be fair, is a natural born performer -- from Jhapa to Sajha :-)

oohi
ashu

First of all I appreciate responsible voices of all good Sajhaites. Now that Chip is reiterating that I had viciously and personally attacked Ms. Kamala Sarup and Mr. Dipta Shah in my emails circulated among Peace Media group, I decided to produce the alleged email to speak for itself.

Note that I followed up this email with several more in response to replies and quiries from various individuals in the group until it reduced to mundane threeway talk between I, Dipta and another gentleman. I ended it by inviting the gentleman and Dipta for private emails for those kind of mundane talk if they are interested and expressing my willingness to be publiclly available only for debates on issues of public interests.

Also, I must add that while Dipta expressed his "disappointment" over my remarks about him, Kamala Sarup ji never complained about my remarks about Peace Media. (Chip's complaint is just what is "Taapkey bhandaa beend taatney"). Kamala ji, in fact, kindly invited me to contribute an article in Peace Media, which I appreciate very much.

So here is the alleged vicious email. Viewer's discretion is advised !

(I will reply to all the postings above by fellow Sajhaites sometime later- Nepe)

Feb 27, 2005
Emailed to Peace Media advosors and others

Kamala ji,

As a well wisher of Peace Media, it is a pleasure to see that you are
rectifying what I will call a lapse of judgment on your part to publish a
notice whose words implied, if not explicitly stated, that (i) Peace Media
has decided to support the royal coup d'etat back home and (2) it shall not
accept the articles critical of HM's action, (3) you now have a loyalist
like Dipta Shah in your team and you don't care if the old advisors who are
disappointed with your decision want to quit, and so on.

I think, at a personal level, you are free to support whoever you like, even
if that is the despotic regime of the King. I think it is even okay to
express your support in your editorials, because that still is your
personal view. However, you can not run the whole magazine to support a
given party unless you don't mind to lose it's credibility as an
independent media, not to mention many of your advisors and well-wishers.

When you own, edit, contribute and also run a magazine, taking a side might
bring what is called a conflict of interests. And the conflict of interest
is that nasty thing which might affect your credibility. So you be
careful.

That brings me to your new editor Dipta Shah ji. Having exchanged couple of
frank emails from the initial contact you made for us with him, I have good
reasons to believe that he will not take my frank comments below as
offensive.

From the number of his contributions, their contents and his stands, I see
him working as an unofficial (hopefully self-appointed) spokesman for the
royal takeover. And that's fine. I only wonder if his new job of editor too
provokes this nasty "conflict of interests" !

On the interesting debate you initiated on democracy and peace, I better
leave it to qualified friends like Alok ji, Anup ji and others to learn
from your sincere remarks and teach us back in return.

Nevertheless, I would like to put my dui paisa at this rare jamghat of some
of the brilliant minds of Nepali Diaspora.

It is true, really true, whether people like or not, there is nobody in
Nepal except Mr. Gyanendra Shah (Sorry, I am not calling him HM because,
since Feb 1, he is not the King. He is now the self-appointed
prime-minister of Nepal. He is reluctant to call himself the prime-minister
and instead calls himself the President. However, our Constitution does not
envision this provision. Since the former King Gyanendra clearly proclaimed
that everything is done according to the Constitution of Nepal, there is no
doubt that he is the prime-minister !) who can bring peace, stability and
establish "true" democracy in Nepal.

At this point, I agree with you (if that is what you meant), Dipta Shah and
number of other pro-coup d'etat contributors and disagree with those who
are implying that political parties in pre-royal takeover position have
that capacity.

What I disagree with you, Dipta Shah and other pro-coup d'etat contributors,
however, is that the King (oops ! okay, let him be the King too, who knows
for how long !) is not doing what you think he is doing.

A draconian regime and a gradual revival of the discredited Panchayat is not
how you bring peace and stability and strengthen democracy.

Here is how he can and should bring peace and stability and strengthen
democracy in Nepal.


Declare Nepal a republic and run your own political party, Gyanendra Shah
ji.


Look how it will make everything right.

1. Maoists will disarm, join the mainstream and accept the republic and run
in the election (else, they will face the united force of the King's party
and all other political parties and every single Nepali, from Mechi,
Mahakali to the USA !)

2. King can show the whole world and unconvinced people like me how much
people trust him and win the election and thereby show other corrupt
parties and incompetent leaders how to run a democracy and do good
governance, accountability, transparency, rule of law, equality before the
law, reward and penalty, you name it.

3. Our corrupt parties will learn the lesson that we all want them to
learn.

See how simple and how wonderful.

I don't understand how great minds like that of Dipta Shah and Dr. Khagendra
Thapa could not think of it. As a matter of fact, I shared this idea of
mine with Dipta Shah in one of my private emails. Dipta ji said we are not
mature enough for a republic. Ye Baba, when the King himself will be
demonstrating every step of it to us, how can we not learn to do it ?

Back to peace, stability and democracy. Can there be anything more peaceful,
stable and truly democratic than a republic Nepal blessed, nurtured and
accompanied by the King himself and supported by all Nepalis ? Hello ?
Kamala ji, Dipta Shah ji and Dr. Khagendra Thapa ji ! And self assuming
centrists, pro-constitutional monarchists too, do consider this wonderful
option, please.

Nepe wrote:

1. Maoists will disarm, join the mainstream and accept the republic and run
in the election (else, they will face the united force of the King's party
and all other political parties and every single Nepali, from Mechi,
Mahakali to the USA !)

****

A quick comment: Yes, but the Maoists are on record for saying that they do NOT believe in electoral democracy. Period. They want their way to prevail -- pure and simple. Besides, they have said that they do not elections to happen anyway.

At any rate, when the deaths of 11,000 Nepalis have NOT united "King's party and all other political parties and every single Nepali, from Mechi, Mahakali to the USA" to do much against the Maoists or for that matter to check vigorously against human
rights abuses committed by the state, it's an equally pie-in-the-sky belief to think
that somehow they will all magically be united AFTER Nepal becomes a republic!

****

2. King can show the whole world and unconvinced people like me how much
people trust him and win the election and thereby show other corrupt
parties and incompetent leaders how to run a democracy and do good
governance, accountability, transparency, rule of law, equality before the
law, reward and penalty, you name it.

A quick comment: OK, if the leaders -- who have their own prickly, super-sensitive
egos to massage -- are to be shown by the King how corrupt and khattam they were and are, and how a democracy should be run, then there's very little incentive for them to be united with the King against the Maoists. Nobody likes to work with people
who make fun of them!

*****
3. Our corrupt parties will learn the lesson that we all want them to
learn.

No. Our political parties will ALWAYS be corrupt as long as there is no open intra-party competition, and as long as they cling on to outdated constitutions than give a whole lot of power to senior party officials and NOT to genuine electoral constituencies to decide who they want to elect.

More later,

oohi
ashu

Hey Ashu,

What are you ??

I know you are not Maoist nor a party members and not even an Independent since you always kiss Gyane's ass here in Sajha.

Shame on you..

This does not make any sense. Why Ashu needs to be shameful. Why he needs to take any side if he does not want to? So, he is pointing out the flaws in the theory. Its easy to brag and hard to implement.

Ya, sounds good to see the vision people have for Nepal. Its equally disheartening when I see people not being able to take criticism and being pointed out the flaws. I do not want choose the person to lead me who is not ready to hear my concerns.

Being late to condemned personal attacks on public forum over Nepe by poster "nita", due to my absented for few days from cyber life.

As following all above post, it's clearly known that poster "nita" and "Chip_of_the_OldBlock" are directly, indirectly related with Ms Kamala Sarup and Dipta Shah of Peace Media...

I am not going to assume here, "nita"=Ms Kamala Sarup, "Chip_of_the_OldBlock"=Dipta Shah...
But it is safe to say that these sajha poster(nita,Chip_of_the_OldBlock) are their (Ms Kamala Sarup & Dipta Shah) mouthpiece..........

And also "Charikote Maila" don't make mistake again while typing comment about Mr. Ashu "As I know him (not personally) but by reading his post on Sajha. He is not that, what you are thinking....

(Note: I am not fan of Nepe, Ashu, Sitara, IFs, GP...but it's good time pass to read their post on Sajha forum)

Uffff kamala Sarup lai email lekhechha Nepe le. What were you thinking? Did you think she understood what she were writting or do you think she will understand what she is writting?

Bichara Ashutosh... Free market ko fantoosh guffadi :)

mea culpa, Did you think she understood what she were writting or do you think she will understand what you are writting?

PQ#1,

Have you watched daku ranee champakali in Zee tv yet?

Houston, Tumne meri man ki baat bol di. woh kya likh ti hai, wahi kamli nani, mujh ko to samaj me kuch nahi ata hai, likhna nahi ata hai, phir bhi kyu likhti hai woh, ram jane.

Friends,

Once again I thank you for your responsible voices by which not only I felt my rightful place in Sajha defended but also Sajha forum itself protected to the extent possible from degrading more than it's fair share as an open-for-all-anonymous-posters forum.

I think enough has been said already. So we probably should put this matter to rest now.

And it is also a waste to speculate who Nita is. And it is definitely dishonor to Kamala Sarup ji to make a speculation with her. For those who are not aware, Kamala ji is a responsible Sajhaites and she has been posting in this forum with her nick 'Sarup'.

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Houston ji,

Altough that particular email's salutation was addressed to Kamalaji , it was a mass email meant to be for whom it may concern. In any case, on my personal judgement, Kamaji's view (those from her mass emails, which I do not want to post here. But I think it's fair to say she was basically elaborating what you can find in "About Us" section of the Peace Media homepage, if you are interested to know) represents pure innocence rather than informed chicanery as displayed by likes of Dipta Shah to defend the Gyanendraism in Nepal. So I would not be too harsh to her.

On couple of occasions in Sajha, I have taken liberty to suggest that there are room for improvements in professionalism of Kamala ji's writings. Apart from that, I have remained a big fan of her activism in areas of Human rights, Women's right, Conflict resolution and even democracy- well until her recent re-interpretation of democracy came out.

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Ashu,

Of course we agree on cultural matters.

Even for political matters, I am not sure what and how much we disagree.

You have chosen to keep your political views vehemently in obscurity and ambivalence. This hardly helps one to know the extent of disagreement between us.

I can only deduce, although this is risky one, from reading between your lines, from your body language, from your depressed or cheerful reaction to the news and data of partisan significance and things like that.

Take for example, your position on the royal takeover. Once you said 'no comment'. At another time you were ambivalent. Still at another time you were owning it.

While this is confusing ta chaadainchha, it also forces me to speculate a sense of opportunism in you. And this has been behind my disrespectful prediction about you that you are going to present yourself as a staunch supporter of republican democracy when signals of it's inevitability start to come.

Now to your quick remarks on the strength of republican democracy with the King's participation in it to do all those wonders I have listed.

Before I defend my points and arguments, I ask you a simple question for clarity's sake. Are you saying the current monarchy as it is and as it is doing has more strength in ending the Maoist insurgency and teaching the internal democracy to our political parties than a republican democracy with King's participation would have ?

नआउदैन यो क्षण चिनीहाल मलाई
यो क्षण नग्न, निर्लज्ज, निर्वस्त्र छु म

Inspired by my own words, I am here to reveal more of my "vicious personal attacks" to several other gentlemen and gentle-institutions I did during the said frenzy of Peace Media email circulation.

From the email I posted above, you saw how I "attacked" the Peace Media and it's editors and contributors and most important of all, the King.

Now here are other individuals and groups which some of my readers might least expect to be attacked by me. But I did, to their as well as my own embarassment. (Let me reveal this as well- I did write private email to some of these gentlemen apologizing for my poor manners and assuring of my good intention )

Attack to the Centrist pro-constitutional monarchy intellectuals:

From one of the emails:

. . . I suggested that formula of a republic with King's own political party not only as an interesting proposal, but also to show,

(1) how every single justifications given by the supporter like Dipta Shah ji to the royal takeover is farcical (sorry if that is a rude word)[Note: I just saw Dipta ji's email. I will talk more about it in my reply soon]

(2) how the criticism of the royal taker over by the majority centrists (I hope that's the right word) like Prof. Alok Bohora ji, Dr. Anup Pahadi ji, Dr. Shyam Karki ji, Naresh Koirala ji, falls short of solving the biggest problem of the country, the Maoist insurgency.

From another email:

Representation of diversity is not an intellectual luxury, it is vital for the survival of modern societies.

Had we considered when we drafted our constitution that republican voice is also a voice and had left a room for that, Maoists would not have become so strong to threat the whole constitution today.

Personally I am much more convinced than post-Feb 1 self-declared anti-terrorism or pro-any peace friends on this board in that the Maoist insurgency is THE biggest problem in the country and any proposition, no matter what it is about, that puts this aside or is silent about it is worthless at this particular moment of our history.

If we can not suggest a solution to the Maoist problem, we have no moral right to question King Gyanendra's activities. Simple as that.

And friends, whether you like or not, it is partly, actually primarily because you have not been able to suggest a concrete solution to the Maoist problem, a significant mass of Nepalis is wasting it's hope and celebrating the king's "bold" steps.


Attack to the UN representative, Mr. Kul Chandra Gautam:

My dear friend . . . had forwarded KCGji's recent speech from London . . .with . . .endorsement that it sounds the most balanced view on Nepal's conflict.

Yes, indeed. However, that is all. It is the most balanced view in terms of what a sincere mediator for the conflict resolution can say. However, it falls short of suggesting a solution. I would rather say KCGji's proposal, if viewed as a Nepali's proposal instead of that of the UN, misleads everybody, the parties to the conflict, the Nepali people and the international community.

I will need a larger space to elaborate it in length. Here I will just put the following quick points to make my point.

(a) Nepal's conflict is not one isolated from the people and limited to the interests of the parties of the conflict. In other words, it's not about the King , the Maoists and the political parties to agree on some settlement (however it looks like the only way to an outsider and also to Nepalis desperate for peace no matter how temporary that might be) and the people of Nepal to agree without questioning it.

(b) However desperate we are for peace, we can not afford to leave seeds for similar conflicts in future

(c) Unless and until the people are brought into the negotiation concept and given the sole right to decide what they want for themselves, any settlement among three parties won't get legitimacy and approval as a final national resolve. Absence of that will bring more chronic conflict in future.

And so on.

So Kul Chandra Gautam's approach, however UN friendly and simpler one, falls short of bringing a lasting solution to Nepal's conflict which is positively or negatively associated with the larger question of democracy and liberty in Nepal after all.

>Attack to the Human Right advocates:

(. . . my position regarding the Maoist as well as Security forces' abuses to innocent people, I am for a War Tribunal after the war ends. I think no matter how much we, the unaffected people, would like to forget the past, the sense of justice served to everyone is one of the most important foundation to the free and democratic Nepal we dream to establish. No matter when, how and against whom, no impunity to the war criminals whether they are Maoists or the royal army. That's my position.

This is also important for all responsible people, specially those who take themselves as defender of human rights in Nepal to send this message of the War Tribunal to Maoists and the security forces loud and clearly. Because this is unquestionably sincere and serious commitment against the human right abuses in Nepal. Shedding tears alone or making polite requests to the Maoists and the Security forces not to violet human rights is not enough. This is particularly more important when we are about to see increased violations of human rights from both sides in coming days )